1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,510 [Music] 2 00:00:08,710 --> 00:00:06,789 there's a whole fleet of them look on 3 00:00:10,950 --> 00:00:08,720 the assay 4 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:10,960 oh my gosh they're all going against the 5 00:00:18,950 --> 00:00:16,390 it was basically a cube with inside of 6 00:00:22,790 --> 00:00:18,960 sphere where the points of the cube 7 00:00:32,990 --> 00:00:22,800 were touching outside of sphere 8 00:00:37,110 --> 00:00:34,540 [Music] 9 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:37,120 [Applause] 10 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:38,719 so this isn't anything that just is 11 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:40,960 limited to the united states it's a 12 00:00:50,869 --> 00:00:49,029 that ufo podcast is powered by zencastr 13 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:50,879 zencaster is one of the world's leading 14 00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:52,800 platforms for recording and hosting 15 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:55,680 podcasts zencaster is a modern web-based 16 00:00:59,590 --> 00:00:57,360 solution for high quality 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00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:34,479 how are we doing today dan very quickly 32 00:01:38,950 --> 00:01:36,640 and with so many people telling me that 33 00:01:40,870 --> 00:01:38,960 they're struggling with my accent i 34 00:01:43,749 --> 00:01:40,880 should probably clear up i've just said 35 00:01:46,149 --> 00:01:43,759 to dan how are you doing today 36 00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:46,159 because in my accent that's probably doo 37 00:01:50,149 --> 00:01:47,920 doo doo doo doo doo doo as well we need 38 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:50,159 a translator on the podcast is that 39 00:01:53,429 --> 00:01:51,840 probably um 40 00:01:54,389 --> 00:01:53,439 i'll have to start doing accents again 41 00:01:57,030 --> 00:01:54,399 won't uh 42 00:01:58,870 --> 00:01:57,040 uh speaking of accents ross cool tact 43 00:02:00,550 --> 00:01:58,880 obviously thank you to everyone who got 44 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:00,560 in touch about part one or if you 45 00:02:05,590 --> 00:02:03,840 listened or or tried to listen to it um 46 00:02:07,350 --> 00:02:05,600 the feedback's been incredible and the 47 00:02:09,910 --> 00:02:07,360 reaction to it's been great thanks to 48 00:02:11,589 --> 00:02:09,920 people sharing it on on reddit on their 49 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:11,599 own youtube channels and crediting the 50 00:02:15,910 --> 00:02:14,160 podcast that's always appreciated and if 51 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:15,920 you're just talking about it with people 52 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:17,680 or you just got some information or 53 00:02:23,110 --> 00:02:20,319 entertainment from it then fantastic um 54 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:23,120 ross was great part two is available 55 00:02:27,910 --> 00:02:25,360 right now we record this today on friday 56 00:02:30,550 --> 00:02:27,920 the 24th of september it's available on 57 00:02:33,350 --> 00:02:30,560 patreon.com early access with no adverts 58 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:33,360 whatsoever and it's also on apple 59 00:02:39,670 --> 00:02:36,640 premium subscriptions it's like 199 uk 60 00:02:41,350 --> 00:02:39,680 or like 2.49 i think um and then just 61 00:02:42,949 --> 00:02:41,360 whatever it is on your own currency per 62 00:02:44,949 --> 00:02:42,959 month but you do get a two week free 63 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:44,959 trial on that as well and it comes to us 64 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:47,280 and supports the podcast and helps us do 65 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:49,360 this as much as we have been doing it 66 00:02:53,670 --> 00:02:51,040 which which is greatly appreciated as 67 00:02:54,869 --> 00:02:53,680 well so so yeah dan do you want to thank 68 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:54,879 everyone 69 00:03:01,910 --> 00:03:00,710 it's been crazy seeing the responses on 70 00:03:03,589 --> 00:03:01,920 you know because i read it and we're 71 00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:03,599 always on social media and people have 72 00:03:08,869 --> 00:03:05,840 responded really positively to it um 73 00:03:10,869 --> 00:03:08,879 which is which is nice uh kurt jaymangal 74 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:10,879 uh sent an email just to let us know 75 00:03:14,710 --> 00:03:12,959 that he'd be interviewing ross and and 76 00:03:16,390 --> 00:03:14,720 asking if there was anything that ross 77 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:16,400 talked to us about that he could follow 78 00:03:20,070 --> 00:03:18,640 up on so it's i love that when the 79 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:20,080 community kind of comes together to make 80 00:03:24,309 --> 00:03:21,760 sure that we're you know we're asking a 81 00:03:26,710 --> 00:03:24,319 nice breath of questions um and i think 82 00:03:28,869 --> 00:03:26,720 that interview it did it last night but 83 00:03:30,149 --> 00:03:28,879 it'll be up in a in a few days for 84 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:30,159 people to watch 85 00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:31,920 sorry dan you're talking but i'm only 86 00:03:40,309 --> 00:03:38,470 is this uh where i publicly apologize 87 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:40,319 for the audio issue on the on the 88 00:03:44,630 --> 00:03:42,640 youtube of just the left ear was that 89 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:44,640 you that made that mistake oh okay you 90 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:45,920 know what if you plug in two pairs of 91 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:47,760 headphones and you rotate one pair of 92 00:03:50,789 --> 00:03:49,120 headphones you can technically have 93 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:50,799 stereo 94 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:53,040 or if you buy another set of speakers 95 00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:55,680 and just have two left ones side by side 96 00:04:00,229 --> 00:03:58,400 little sound stereo maybe yeah sorry 97 00:04:02,550 --> 00:04:00,239 about that when i convert video i i just 98 00:04:04,710 --> 00:04:02,560 have to hit one tick box and i i forgot 99 00:04:07,030 --> 00:04:04,720 but it's fixed for part two i promise 100 00:04:09,509 --> 00:04:07,040 yeah you literally cannot get the staff 101 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:09,519 yeah part two like i say out now on 102 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:11,280 premium which is great so you'll have 103 00:04:15,190 --> 00:04:13,120 that over the weekend to listen to early 104 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:15,200 feedback from again has been fantastic 105 00:04:19,670 --> 00:04:17,280 so thank you everyone who's incredible 106 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:19,680 and incredibly nice about it and if you 107 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:21,280 don't enjoy it please still get in touch 108 00:04:24,070 --> 00:04:22,560 and tell us why if you want to talk 109 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:24,080 about it get in touch and you want to 110 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:25,280 discuss it share your thoughts and 111 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:27,520 opinions do all of that but we're not 112 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:29,120 precious about someone 113 00:04:32,629 --> 00:04:30,880 not liking something we do but it's 114 00:04:34,710 --> 00:04:32,639 great because there hasn't been anyone 115 00:04:36,790 --> 00:04:34,720 said anything negative at all about the 116 00:04:39,110 --> 00:04:36,800 the ross part one so that's incredible 117 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:39,120 so thank you everyone um look forward to 118 00:04:42,870 --> 00:04:40,880 that coming out on monday on all the 119 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:42,880 free feeds so that's monday the 27th of 120 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:46,080 september it will be accessible to all 121 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:48,160 um we should also say here that we're 122 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:50,400 gonna um with the youtube we're gonna 123 00:04:53,590 --> 00:04:51,680 just leave a little bit of space after 124 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:53,600 it goes up onto the podcast um and 125 00:04:57,189 --> 00:04:55,600 that'll enable andy and i to kind of 126 00:04:58,550 --> 00:04:57,199 talk with a lot of people who listen and 127 00:05:00,469 --> 00:04:58,560 then we can do live chats when the 128 00:05:02,790 --> 00:05:00,479 youtuber goes out with you guys 129 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:02,800 yeah spot on and the youtube stuff is a 130 00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:05,360 lot more work as well again this 131 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:07,280 neither of us do this full time for a 132 00:05:11,189 --> 00:05:09,600 job it takes up almost all of our spare 133 00:05:13,510 --> 00:05:11,199 time um 134 00:05:15,189 --> 00:05:13,520 so things like chapters and breaking 135 00:05:17,909 --> 00:05:15,199 down the interviews and all that kind of 136 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:17,919 stuff is a lot more work than 137 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:19,360 people potentially realize but that's 138 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:20,960 not your problem that's our problem and 139 00:05:23,749 --> 00:05:22,479 that's that's where we're at so we're 140 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:23,759 trying to get all that stuff up to 141 00:05:27,029 --> 00:05:25,680 scratch as best we can and that's why 142 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:27,039 we've been doing things like the the 143 00:05:31,830 --> 00:05:30,160 youtube tests recently um obviously we 144 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:31,840 made mention first time we could mention 145 00:05:36,310 --> 00:05:34,080 it on air that from the first week in 146 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:36,320 october we will have a new show it'll be 147 00:05:42,629 --> 00:05:39,440 that ufo podcast the other show debuting 148 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:42,639 on kg ra radio can which can i ask what 149 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:44,320 do you mean by the other show is there 150 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:46,240 potentially a play on words there 151 00:05:53,749 --> 00:05:52,230 yeah so the other show being a little 152 00:05:55,749 --> 00:05:53,759 bit of a play on 153 00:05:58,309 --> 00:05:55,759 you know the others and other entities 154 00:06:00,950 --> 00:05:58,319 and other beings so um it was funny when 155 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:00,960 i first spoke to the the guys from kgra 156 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:02,720 who reached out to us to maybe do 157 00:06:07,029 --> 00:06:05,280 something with them um i had no idea 158 00:06:09,189 --> 00:06:07,039 what to call it and they asked me so 159 00:06:11,189 --> 00:06:09,199 have you thought of a snappy title and 160 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:11,199 only minutes before i hope they don't 161 00:06:14,950 --> 00:06:13,120 listen to this only minutes before i got 162 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:14,960 on the call with them i wrote down the 163 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:16,160 other show 164 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:18,000 and i was like uh yeah so it's going to 165 00:06:23,189 --> 00:06:21,520 be that ufo podcast the other show and 166 00:06:25,029 --> 00:06:23,199 i've never seen a look of such 167 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:25,039 underwhelming from the guy who was 168 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:27,120 obviously really keen and excited to to 169 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:28,720 have us do something for them and he was 170 00:06:31,510 --> 00:06:29,520 like 171 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:31,520 remember it's got to be snappy and you 172 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:33,120 know you're i was he expecting like 173 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:35,440 super explosion 3000 with that ufo 174 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:38,400 podcast it didn't go for that one 175 00:06:42,550 --> 00:06:40,960 um but when i said to him because we 176 00:06:44,550 --> 00:06:42,560 were on a video call well it's called 177 00:06:46,390 --> 00:06:44,560 the other show because you know other 178 00:06:48,070 --> 00:06:46,400 beings and i explained to him and you 179 00:06:49,430 --> 00:06:48,080 could just see his face and the smile 180 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:49,440 and then one of the other his other 181 00:06:52,870 --> 00:06:51,120 colleagues who were on the call went ah 182 00:06:54,870 --> 00:06:52,880 i like it yeah i like that that's good 183 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:54,880 so that's why it's called the other show 184 00:06:59,029 --> 00:06:57,520 and also it is the other show um it's an 185 00:07:01,430 --> 00:06:59,039 extension of what we do is going to be 186 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:01,440 original content and there'll be news 187 00:07:05,830 --> 00:07:04,160 and news updates we might do some 188 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:05,840 interview stuff on there as well it's 189 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:08,240 going to be a short or forum show um by 190 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:09,360 the time you've got the intros and 191 00:07:13,270 --> 00:07:11,280 outros and all that kind of stuff you're 192 00:07:15,990 --> 00:07:13,280 looking at 40 odd minutes of content on 193 00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:16,000 there so we're hoping to make it snappy 194 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:18,560 segment based um with some video content 195 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:20,080 and stuff as well so we've got a lot of 196 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:22,080 cool stuff and we want to get hopefully 197 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:24,240 as many of you as possible watching that 198 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:27,840 show on kg ra as well it'll be a video 199 00:07:31,670 --> 00:07:29,360 format which people are telling us they 200 00:07:33,189 --> 00:07:31,680 like and it'll will hopefully give you 201 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:33,199 something a little bit different to what 202 00:07:35,749 --> 00:07:34,960 we've been doing anyway so we don't plan 203 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:35,759 on 204 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:39,280 we can't make something that we enjoy 205 00:07:44,550 --> 00:07:41,440 doing and other people enjoy doing and 206 00:07:46,469 --> 00:07:44,560 as original then we won't do it and kgra 207 00:07:48,390 --> 00:07:46,479 are aware of that and you know they want 208 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:48,400 they want good content and 209 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:49,840 i don't think we've ever put anything 210 00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:50,800 out that's 211 00:07:54,469 --> 00:07:53,039 half-assed or half-assed depending on 212 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:54,479 how you're listening to this unless 213 00:07:58,629 --> 00:07:55,840 you're down and you'll look out half the 214 00:08:00,629 --> 00:07:58,639 audio in which case 215 00:08:03,029 --> 00:08:00,639 these things happen it's it's a 999 216 00:08:04,629 --> 00:08:03,039 superchat for the other yeah that's 217 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:04,639 yeah that that's that stands for making 218 00:08:09,909 --> 00:08:07,680 the money on it um but listen like we 219 00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:09,919 say there it's it's a new show so we're 220 00:08:13,589 --> 00:08:11,520 looking forward to doing it and you'll 221 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:13,599 hear more about that soon and the format 222 00:08:18,469 --> 00:08:15,520 and stuff as well uh 223 00:08:20,309 --> 00:08:18,479 dan listen uh some big news did uh come 224 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:20,319 out which were 225 00:08:26,469 --> 00:08:23,840 excited about but i wasn't as excited as 226 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:26,479 some of the guys in the uap media chat 227 00:08:30,869 --> 00:08:28,560 so i i was clicking my heels together 228 00:08:32,230 --> 00:08:30,879 like uh dorothy right like i was super 229 00:08:34,149 --> 00:08:32,240 happy about it 230 00:08:35,909 --> 00:08:34,159 but only because i've seen people jump 231 00:08:38,149 --> 00:08:35,919 on with the 232 00:08:39,670 --> 00:08:38,159 well the house bill has passed with the 233 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:39,680 ndaa 234 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:41,360 potentially we're getting that ufo 235 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:44,000 office but it's not 100 definitely 236 00:08:48,550 --> 00:08:46,080 happening we can't say that yet is that 237 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:48,560 right then yeah so with the american 238 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:50,640 system basically the the committee's 239 00:08:55,269 --> 00:08:53,120 come up with the bills and then they go 240 00:08:57,590 --> 00:08:55,279 to congress and they're voted on and 241 00:08:58,949 --> 00:08:57,600 then they go to the house and they voted 242 00:09:01,030 --> 00:08:58,959 on and then they go to the president's 243 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:01,040 desk to be signed into law and all 244 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:02,800 throughout those stages things can 245 00:09:07,509 --> 00:09:04,720 change things can get reworded we 246 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:07,519 already know that it's not just the ndaa 247 00:09:11,509 --> 00:09:09,600 that has uap language in it 248 00:09:13,509 --> 00:09:11,519 there's another bill too so what's 249 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:13,519 likely to happen is you know they like 250 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:15,360 to be efficient is that those two bills 251 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:16,399 are probably going to get smushed 252 00:09:22,310 --> 00:09:19,040 together and become something else um 253 00:09:24,070 --> 00:09:22,320 the senate is taking up a different ndaa 254 00:09:26,190 --> 00:09:24,080 with a few different details and stuff 255 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:26,200 like that and that one is 256 00:09:31,509 --> 00:09:28,560 s2792 but it's a really good example of 257 00:09:34,870 --> 00:09:31,519 how things are changing right so 258 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:34,880 the build that we had hr 4350 is that 259 00:09:39,910 --> 00:09:37,120 2792 that's the one to keep your eye on 260 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:39,920 now um but eventually the uap language 261 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:41,519 from both of those bills will be smushed 262 00:09:44,389 --> 00:09:43,120 together and put into this one bill for 263 00:09:47,190 --> 00:09:44,399 passage 264 00:09:49,030 --> 00:09:47,200 awesome so where we are at as this bill 265 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:49,040 gives us the potential to have that 266 00:09:55,030 --> 00:09:52,320 permanent uap ufo office 267 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:55,040 right now we're in a good place 268 00:09:59,750 --> 00:09:57,040 it's passed but it still needs that 269 00:10:01,829 --> 00:09:59,760 final sign off so what we're hoping 270 00:10:03,829 --> 00:10:01,839 worst case scenario would be is that 271 00:10:06,389 --> 00:10:03,839 some of the language or 272 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:06,399 objectives would change but the whole 273 00:10:10,630 --> 00:10:08,800 the idea in essence would go ahead that 274 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:10,640 we're going to get that office 275 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:12,480 um 276 00:10:16,710 --> 00:10:14,800 it should be falling down at this point 277 00:10:18,389 --> 00:10:16,720 no i mean there's two bills you know 278 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:18,399 it's not coming from one direction this 279 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:20,720 year it's coming from two um and tim 280 00:10:24,949 --> 00:10:22,880 mcmillan was saying that uh the the 281 00:10:26,470 --> 00:10:24,959 committee uh services committee i think 282 00:10:27,910 --> 00:10:26,480 it is that produced this bill they've 283 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:27,920 actually been very active behind the 284 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:29,120 scenes for the past few years we just 285 00:10:31,829 --> 00:10:30,560 haven't been hearing about it so 286 00:10:34,069 --> 00:10:31,839 basically you kind of have this pincer 287 00:10:35,829 --> 00:10:34,079 movement going on um it's going to go 288 00:10:38,230 --> 00:10:35,839 through it's just 289 00:10:39,590 --> 00:10:38,240 being picky about language now 290 00:10:40,949 --> 00:10:39,600 yeah and you know what i think we've 291 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:40,959 kind of said this before and this is 292 00:10:44,710 --> 00:10:43,120 where people have to realize that this 293 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:44,720 this isn't stuff that's happened over 294 00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:46,720 the last couple of months this isn't 295 00:10:51,829 --> 00:10:49,600 because you know 296 00:10:52,949 --> 00:10:51,839 we we talk about how far behind we are 297 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:52,959 in the uk 298 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:54,880 these conversations have been happening 299 00:10:58,949 --> 00:10:56,880 in the corridors of power i believe is 300 00:11:02,230 --> 00:10:58,959 normally the the phrase people like to 301 00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:02,240 use for some time now this is stuff that 302 00:11:05,509 --> 00:11:03,600 when you hear 303 00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:05,519 or don't hear from luella zondo and 304 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:06,800 chris melon 305 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:08,560 and and those folks that we know are 306 00:11:11,509 --> 00:11:10,480 heavily involved in this movement behind 307 00:11:13,269 --> 00:11:11,519 the scenes 308 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:13,279 this stuff is going on these 309 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:14,880 conversations don't just happen 310 00:11:18,069 --> 00:11:16,480 overnight things aren't just put in a 311 00:11:20,310 --> 00:11:18,079 bill on a whim 312 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:20,320 um short of a pandemic and something 313 00:11:25,829 --> 00:11:23,120 having to be drafted this is stuff that 314 00:11:29,110 --> 00:11:25,839 is a build up and stuff that's happened 315 00:11:31,269 --> 00:11:29,120 over time and what as a community we are 316 00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:31,279 able to influence is keeping it in the 317 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:33,360 limelight and drumming up enough noise 318 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:35,440 that it does end up on the news and we 319 00:11:40,630 --> 00:11:38,800 do get more articles about it uh and 320 00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:40,640 just to follow on from that then i think 321 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:43,200 dan just to segue in is that we are now 322 00:11:47,509 --> 00:11:45,680 seeing credible journalists like ross 323 00:11:49,990 --> 00:11:47,519 coulthart and like we're about to 324 00:11:52,069 --> 00:11:50,000 discuss ralph blumenthal who has been 325 00:11:53,030 --> 00:11:52,079 involved in this keeping the bat on 326 00:11:55,509 --> 00:11:53,040 going 327 00:11:57,590 --> 00:11:55,519 and carrying the conversation forward 328 00:12:00,150 --> 00:11:57,600 today again as we speak the 24th of 329 00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:00,160 september ralph blumenthal has um 330 00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:02,320 written an article for the debrief which 331 00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:04,240 has only really been published a couple 332 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:06,560 of hours ago which is which is great 333 00:12:11,110 --> 00:12:08,800 it's ralph is going to be on the podcast 334 00:12:12,790 --> 00:12:11,120 again on wednesday um we're going to 335 00:12:14,949 --> 00:12:12,800 talk about some of the contents of the 336 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:14,959 article i won't go through it and fill 337 00:12:18,949 --> 00:12:16,320 with dan because 338 00:12:21,110 --> 00:12:18,959 the work is the debriefs and it's ralph 339 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:21,120 blumenthal so we'll we'll retweet it and 340 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:23,440 it's online already check out any of the 341 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:25,440 debrief team's stuff the debrief page 342 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:27,839 the debrief website which is i'll just 343 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:30,160 double check it yeah thedebrief.org 344 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:31,600 and you'll see it's all on the home page 345 00:12:35,910 --> 00:12:33,760 so please go and check out that article 346 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:35,920 um we won't be you know spoiling it too 347 00:12:38,550 --> 00:12:37,600 much hopefully just having a brief 348 00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:38,560 discussion 349 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:40,399 and then when ralph is on the podcast on 350 00:12:44,470 --> 00:12:42,480 wednesday we'll be talking through some 351 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:44,480 of that with him and why he's still 352 00:12:48,310 --> 00:12:46,320 pursuing this and which is great because 353 00:12:49,750 --> 00:12:48,320 we do appreciate it 354 00:12:52,550 --> 00:12:49,760 dan what were your your thoughts on 355 00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:52,560 immediately on the article itself i i 356 00:12:55,829 --> 00:12:54,240 thought it was great um 357 00:12:57,590 --> 00:12:55,839 you know we throw a lot of words around 358 00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:57,600 in the community and the experiencer is 359 00:13:01,269 --> 00:13:00,079 one of them um you know some people when 360 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:01,279 they have a sighting they call it an 361 00:13:04,870 --> 00:13:03,120 experience other people 362 00:13:07,269 --> 00:13:04,880 have to be taken to be able to call in 363 00:13:08,710 --> 00:13:07,279 experience you know um so i think it was 364 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:08,720 it was a really nice article to kind of 365 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:10,560 say okay this is this is what we're 366 00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:12,480 referring to when we say experience so 367 00:13:17,350 --> 00:13:14,079 let's start kind of using these terms in 368 00:13:20,389 --> 00:13:17,360 a in an accessible way um the article 369 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:20,399 also spoke about john john mack who 370 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:22,160 you know if you're listening to this you 371 00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:27,110 head of harvard i want to say is that 372 00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:29,279 right 373 00:13:40,550 --> 00:13:38,949 never responded was just at the exact 374 00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:40,560 second you were about to ask me whatever 375 00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:43,440 it was you asked you froze so people 376 00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:45,440 will hear the audio of what you said 377 00:13:49,509 --> 00:13:47,600 just because of how we record but all i 378 00:13:53,430 --> 00:13:49,519 got back was you pausing waiting on me 379 00:13:59,130 --> 00:13:55,829 so what was it yeah it's all good um 380 00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:59,140 john max positions it slips my mind um 381 00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:00,240 [Music] 382 00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:02,639 but basically he did a lot of work with 383 00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:05,120 uh experiences um 384 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:07,120 and he kind of set the bar 385 00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:10,880 his employer um a big university did not 386 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:12,639 you know fire him or discipline him or 387 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:13,920 kind of say that he was doing asking 388 00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:15,920 leading questions or anything like that 389 00:14:19,829 --> 00:14:18,320 so he he got a lot of data built up 390 00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:19,839 about similarities through different 391 00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,519 people's experiences in different parts 392 00:14:24,790 --> 00:14:23,360 of the world um very very very 393 00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:24,800 interesting stuff ralph actually wrote a 394 00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:27,199 book about him um called the believer i 395 00:14:30,629 --> 00:14:29,199 think and yeah i recommend picking that 396 00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:30,639 up because it'll it'll kind of fill some 397 00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:32,399 gaps in he was the head of the 398 00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:34,079 psychiatry department for harvard 399 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:36,800 university which is no mean feat no not 400 00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:39,360 at all not at all um 401 00:14:42,629 --> 00:14:40,959 just before we get into that article i 402 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:42,639 interviewed ralph a few months ago and 403 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,480 that was the topic of the interview was 404 00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:46,800 his book john mack the believer and it's 405 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,399 all about the you know those types of 406 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,399 experiences and it very much seems ralph 407 00:14:54,629 --> 00:14:52,720 is carrying on the conversation which i 408 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:54,639 think a lot of people will appreciate so 409 00:14:57,829 --> 00:14:56,079 go and check out the ralph blumenthal 410 00:15:00,069 --> 00:14:57,839 interview if you haven't already it 411 00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:00,079 should be on audio and youtube 412 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,920 it's really interesting ralph is keeping 413 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:04,320 this going and at a time where i've seen 414 00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:06,240 a lot of conversation on social media 415 00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:08,639 from people who who say or label 416 00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:11,199 themselves as experiencers and like dan 417 00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,639 says that's because they have seen 418 00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:14,079 something or they have physically 419 00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:16,160 experienced something or 420 00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:17,680 it's not always physical it can be kind 421 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:19,519 of non-physical but 422 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:21,040 i've seen a lot of frustration from 423 00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:24,480 experiences that their their story 424 00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:25,440 or 425 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:27,920 what hap what is happening to them isn't 426 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:30,880 being shouted about more or it's not at 427 00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:32,880 the forefront of the conversation and 428 00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:34,880 i've said before i have all the respect 429 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:36,560 in the world for anyone who wants to 430 00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:38,480 share i saw a light in the sky and it 431 00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:40,000 was moving along really fast don't know 432 00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:41,040 what it was 433 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:42,720 or if you want to tell 434 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:44,320 that you have been you know taken on 435 00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,160 board a craft of some kind or if you've 436 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,399 had repeated experiences over the years 437 00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:50,160 physically or not if you're having 438 00:15:54,389 --> 00:15:52,800 really intense dreams where both strange 439 00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:54,399 beings are coming into them 440 00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:56,240 no one especially on this podcast like 441 00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:58,160 many others is going to ridicule or make 442 00:16:01,749 --> 00:15:59,839 fun of those and i would encourage 443 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:01,759 people to share their experiences if 444 00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:04,560 they can on any platform any podcast you 445 00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:07,040 know because you deserve that that 446 00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:09,279 chance to do that i still don't think 447 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,199 we're anywhere near and i've said this 448 00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:13,440 before that the conversation on a 449 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,160 mainstream level to be talking about 450 00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,040 abductions and experiences 451 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:21,440 because it's far too much of a step if 452 00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:23,360 we're if we're going from 453 00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,040 a to b to c 454 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:27,440 that's like going from a to b 455 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:29,680 to w or x 456 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:31,360 and it's not that it's not important 457 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:34,240 it's just it's not the time yet 458 00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:36,720 because and so much of the conversation 459 00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,399 with the conversation we have right now 460 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,399 and and you're listening to this podcast 461 00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:42,560 you've no doubt already got an interest 462 00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:44,160 in the subject and have some kind of 463 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:45,759 knowledge or background or even if 464 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:47,040 you're new to it 465 00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:48,720 you're ready or willing to have that 466 00:16:53,269 --> 00:16:51,199 conversation the conversation that's 467 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,279 being had in that bigger stage by your 468 00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:55,360 ralph blumenthals or ross coultharts or 469 00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:56,959 luis elizondos 470 00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:58,959 it's very difficult for them to go to a 471 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:01,440 newspaper or a news network and get 472 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:04,480 something put on air or published which 473 00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:06,000 talks about 474 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,799 even crash retrieval programs or 475 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,799 abduction experiences because this 476 00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:12,480 stigma just comes right back into the 477 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:15,039 conversation is that fair dan yeah i 478 00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:19,280 think so i think it's fair um 479 00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:20,480 as 480 00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:22,559 yeah i i we spoke just before this and 481 00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:23,360 and 482 00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:28,000 saying to him that there were a lot of 483 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:29,360 things that i read in the article that 484 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,480 have happened to me and i kind of had 485 00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:32,880 this you know this kind of stomach turn 486 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:35,120 it i was reading it realizing that at 487 00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,880 some point 488 00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,799 all the experiences are gonna we're all 489 00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:40,480 gonna have to be brave and just hope 490 00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:42,160 that no one burns us at the stake you 491 00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:44,080 know like you said you can't go from b 492 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:47,760 to w um but i feel like it's a big jump 493 00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:50,000 whenever it comes um just because the 494 00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:52,559 implications of it are huge you know to 495 00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:54,160 be able to look people in the face and 496 00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:55,760 be like yeah things come from somewhere 497 00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,440 and take women out of their beds and 498 00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,120 take their eggs and inseminate them and 499 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:01,919 show them the kids and like it's just 500 00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:04,960 it's a lot it's a lot 501 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,640 and we don't want to share the stories 502 00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:08,640 which are within the body of the article 503 00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:10,160 please go and check those out and we'll 504 00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,240 speak to ralph next week in more detail 505 00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:14,880 about them too um one thing i will pick 506 00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:17,120 up on within the body of the article is 507 00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,000 it references celebrities pop culture 508 00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:22,559 talks about kendrick lamar howard stern 509 00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:25,200 demi lovato and then mentions other 510 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:26,799 celebrities in the past who have had 511 00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:29,440 famous ufo sightings and such muhammad 512 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,360 ali famously did you know john lennon 513 00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:33,039 jimmy hendrix and and a whole host of 514 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,240 others 515 00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,720 um i'm always a little bit on the fence 516 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:38,720 especially for example this this demi 517 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:40,160 lovato show 518 00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:41,440 we've had 519 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:43,919 there was a lot of hype behind the jj 520 00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:46,240 abrams documentaries and they they fell 521 00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:47,440 pretty flat 522 00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:49,120 i think it's fair to say for what we 523 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,120 were hoping and what we were expecting 524 00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:53,280 um and let's be honest given that 525 00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:55,919 platform and a serious filmmaker like 526 00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:58,559 that or documentary maker 527 00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,720 it didn't have the impact we were hoping 528 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:03,120 it was going to because it felt like it 529 00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,480 was on the 530 00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,039 on the downward curve of where we were 531 00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,880 kind of riding that wave onto the uap 532 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,400 task force report and everything like 533 00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,240 that and then it maybe came just a 534 00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,720 little bit too late but even then a lot 535 00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:16,799 of people seem to agree that the second 536 00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,360 half of the the documentaries 537 00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,440 went a little bit outside the realms of 538 00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:23,200 what we wanted it to sound like and what 539 00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:24,880 it wanted it to look like which i think 540 00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,600 is 541 00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:27,679 in keeping with what everyone thought i 542 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,080 then see demi lovato 543 00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,360 who you know pop singer 544 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,039 has had a lot of issues with various 545 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:37,120 things in our past which you know 546 00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:38,400 all the luck in the world and dealing 547 00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:39,600 with those 548 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,520 but 549 00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:42,880 is that the right 550 00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:45,600 person to be taking this forward tom de 551 00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,400 long 552 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,960 gets enough abuse because of who he was 553 00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:51,360 in blink 182 and his character and 554 00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:52,880 persona 555 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,840 without bringing it into 2021 that the 556 00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,440 the one argument which may outweigh 557 00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,760 everything as demi lovato is very much a 558 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,360 major celebrity now 559 00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:03,840 and she's got a huge following but are 560 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:05,679 they necessarily going to watch that and 561 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,240 think while i'm really into ufos or are 562 00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,320 they watching just a demi lovato reality 563 00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,400 tv series so so i have a good little 564 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:14,720 anecdote about this kind of stuff uh 565 00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,669 [Music] 566 00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:28,000 and a few months back they they had a 567 00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,600 kardashian episode that kind of centered 568 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:32,000 around it and it was preston dennett 569 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:33,200 that they went and spoke to i was 570 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,159 worried that they were going to speak to 571 00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:35,840 grier or someone but no they spoke to 572 00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,400 preston and you know on a balance he 573 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:40,559 he's one of the better people i would 574 00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,120 say um and he kind of took them to 575 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,880 castelina and they you know they looked 576 00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,080 out and saw some strange lights and 577 00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,960 things like that um nothing crazy was 578 00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,880 said in the show i mean relatively you 579 00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:52,640 know um 580 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,600 but 581 00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,520 to this day 582 00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:57,120 almost once a week i'll get a text from 583 00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,400 my sister saying what's happening with 584 00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,880 this uap stuff just because of that show 585 00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,679 and 586 00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,280 there was a lot in there where i was 587 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,799 like oh you know kind of ignore this bit 588 00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,960 and take this bit but i think it stands 589 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,960 to inspire a lot of people and as we go 590 00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,080 forward 591 00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,480 this subject is going to open right up 592 00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,440 so 593 00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,360 you know we need to get used to people 594 00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,360 we don't necessarily align with talking 595 00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,080 about it um because we i just we can't 596 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,400 control them what we can control is how 597 00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,720 we speak about it um and we can try and 598 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,039 put our best foot forward you know 599 00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,000 demi lovato hangs out with stephen greer 600 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,320 did she pay for the privilege 601 00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,720 do you know what i bet she does 602 00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,400 but the money's not exactly an object to 603 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,240 her so that's like 604 00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:40,000 that's nothing um 605 00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,400 so i i i get the arguments that people 606 00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:45,280 will put forward that she's young sorry 607 00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,640 they are young pronouns um and 608 00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,000 people may not be able to deal with that 609 00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,840 was background and stuff in our past in 610 00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,120 history but that's that's not what this 611 00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,240 podcast about um demi lovato 612 00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,240 uh has had you know a few experiences 613 00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:00,240 with stephen greer 614 00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,120 um 615 00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:03,039 their friends are involved as well in 616 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,840 this 617 00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:05,280 there's the argument that of course 618 00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,640 millions of people are going to watch 619 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:07,760 this 620 00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,320 but i just think almost all of those 621 00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,600 millions 622 00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,760 are going to be watching a demi lovato 623 00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,679 reality tv series 624 00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:17,919 about someone who's whose ufo experience 625 00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,200 is very much are shaped by stephen greer 626 00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:23,360 and that worries me slightly and there's 627 00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,240 still 628 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,159 potential for every yeah but for if a 629 00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,760 hundred thousand people watch it and one 630 00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,360 person gets involved in the subject 631 00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:31,520 seriously that's great but potentially 632 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,720 you get a lot of people involved in a 633 00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,720 subject in a way that we don't want to 634 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,080 be involved in it 635 00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,640 that they they come into it and and take 636 00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,400 things back a step when you want the 637 00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,960 conversation to keep progressing forward 638 00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,919 and 639 00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,360 i don't know we're going to have to wait 640 00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,360 and see but i just look at it and think 641 00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,039 people have jumped on the bandwagon 642 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:51,600 after the uap task force report if the 643 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:54,000 jj abrams documentaries weren't going to 644 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,960 be a 645 00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,440 a turning point then 646 00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,720 i don't think i don't think these are 647 00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,120 going to help necessarily either 648 00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:03,600 for me the ross coulthar of the world 649 00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:06,159 the ralph blumenthals leslie keynes 650 00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,280 are making a difference in the 651 00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,919 mainstream but you know what i think i 652 00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:11,919 i've got to admit i've got a bias that i 653 00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,240 hate reality tv programs 654 00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,559 and i just i can t i just know what this 655 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,320 is going to be like in tone and stuff 656 00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,960 already so is this the 657 00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,640 there was a point in my life where 658 00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,919 people kept showing me stuff and i kept 659 00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,600 not liking it and and 660 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,039 you know i got quite judgey and after a 661 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,960 while i realized hold on it's it's not 662 00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:30,720 that it's bad it's just not 663 00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:33,440 for me you know um 664 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,159 so 665 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,000 i'll stick with the you know the ruska 666 00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,720 books and stuff like that but 667 00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,840 i'm not going to be following demi 668 00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,000 lovato kind of teaching people about uap 669 00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,760 or maybe i will actually just in terms 670 00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,279 of being informed about it so i can have 671 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,360 an opinion but 672 00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,360 i i don't think she's gonna you know 673 00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,720 there's anything she can say that's 674 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,840 gonna make them 675 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,760 for example scrap those bills that are 676 00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,240 going through congress um dan did you 677 00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,480 ever see from a uk point of view danny 678 00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,480 dyer on ufos 679 00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,080 uh i didn't because i'm not a big fan of 680 00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,080 danny dyer yeah go on that's this is 681 00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,159 going to be that oh right okay yeah and 682 00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,279 probably i'm probably less 683 00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,799 less 684 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,320 positive 685 00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:14,880 so yeah i'm not hopeful i hope i'm wrong 686 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:15,600 but 687 00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,679 the article itself please check that out 688 00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,919 on thedebrief.org ralph blumenthal doing 689 00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:23,760 some great work and you can look out for 690 00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,080 that podcast dropping um hopefully we'll 691 00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,240 get that straight out next wednesday 692 00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,320 evening uk time that's when it's being 693 00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,039 recorded as well and we'll we'll try and 694 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:34,799 get that one straight up on youtube as 695 00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,520 soon as we can as well dan yeah for sure 696 00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,520 if i ask dan um while we're recording he 697 00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,600 has to say yes because he's now he's put 698 00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,360 himself on i always say yeah it's on air 699 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,880 but there's like a little sign up that 700 00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,600 you guys can't see that just says no 701 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,360 unless you're watching this on youtube 702 00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,760 uh and in which case you will see dan 703 00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,440 that doesn't have a sign no there's no 704 00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,200 sign i've i've cowed might have canceled 705 00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:57,120 my plans i'll get it done actually 706 00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,400 that's that's not true you do have a 707 00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,760 sign where you held your hand up and it 708 00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,840 says that ufo podcast 709 00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:02,640 so 710 00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,400 and many thanks to ralph blumenthal and 711 00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,480 the team over at the db for getting that 712 00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,279 out folks we're halfway through um just 713 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,279 before i get to one of the sponsors and 714 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:15,200 read a quick ad when we come back from 715 00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:16,960 that we are going to be discussing and 716 00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,279 jolly's recent tweet and how things may 717 00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,480 have 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come on the podcast i think 801 00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,080 people saw that she very publicly said 802 00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,600 she would come on when one of the 803 00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,320 listeners had asked um but i never got 804 00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,559 any replies to my dms or further 805 00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,720 messages so i just left it where it was 806 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,640 folks because i'm not the type to chase 807 00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,320 and chase and chase if if someone's not 808 00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,320 looking to come on that's absolutely 809 00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,080 they are they are right and i respect 810 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,080 that completely um 811 00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,360 however as as some expected and i think 812 00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,600 i said so at the time as well there was 813 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,399 a way i expected this whole thing to go 814 00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,120 and just the other day anjali replied to 815 00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,520 a tweet online saying that the 816 00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,520 the base no longer appeared to be a 817 00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,279 physical location and was more than 818 00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,000 likely dimensional 819 00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,600 and i don't know what i'm going to tell 820 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:18,240 you i wrote on my notes here psy 821 00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,120 yeah 822 00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:21,279 and it's like is this just not the issue 823 00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,960 where and i know people were very 824 00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,200 protective and let's not abuse and no 825 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,039 one should and let's not be really 826 00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,039 negative because this could be great and 827 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,799 of course and we always say what would 828 00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,320 real look like and 829 00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:34,000 there's no reason that there is that one 830 00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,600 person somewhere in the world who is 831 00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:38,000 having contact contact with beings like 832 00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,760 that in a base somewhere and they're 833 00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,279 being taken there 834 00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,000 but to come out the way it was done 835 00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:45,679 never seemed the best idea in the first 836 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,559 place and now it just seems the back the 837 00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,799 back tracking is starting i'm a little 838 00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:53,840 disappointed but i am entirely 100 not 839 00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:01,510 i 840 00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:10,060 way um 841 00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:11,200 [Music] 842 00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,039 and it's going that way and i i know 843 00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,720 we always talk about accepting stories 844 00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,320 and things like that but i want to 845 00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,000 emphasize here you know i'll often talk 846 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,679 about spinning plates of unknowns 847 00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,760 because we we just don't know which kind 848 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,679 of box to put them in those spinning 849 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,120 plates of unknown 850 00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,559 like this one 851 00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,039 are completely useless 852 00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,520 they're useless we're chasing our tails 853 00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,120 it's noise she's gonna keep moving the 854 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,200 goal posts and you know what if she 855 00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,840 comes back with a body or something fine 856 00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:41,039 surprise me 857 00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,840 but 858 00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:43,440 there are more positive things going on 859 00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,000 in the world and especially when we've 860 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,080 got this article from ralph coming out 861 00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,520 talking about genuine you know trauma 862 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,559 victims 863 00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,320 and and to think that someone could be 864 00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,760 trying to take advantage of that for 865 00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,240 fame that's disgusting man that's just 866 00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,840 disgusting it's it's the worst of the 867 00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,760 community 868 00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,440 and you know what we don't again we 869 00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:05,120 always caveat it don't move if we don't 870 00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,559 know but it's just 871 00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,240 to come out and say one thing and then 872 00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,320 it totally 873 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,000 changes and that's the way the story 874 00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,320 seems to go and we never found out who 875 00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:16,000 was going to be on the expedition some 876 00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,679 high-profile people like george knapp 877 00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,559 and co 878 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,559 were quite happy to go along i'm sure 879 00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,000 they're again they had their own 880 00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,559 suspicions but journalistic integrity 881 00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,919 and all that kind of stuff kicks in and 882 00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,519 there's a story there especially in the 883 00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:30,000 ufo community it was pretty big 884 00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,799 but 885 00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,559 straight away this is just a huge red 886 00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,360 flag for me um a few people asked us to 887 00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,799 discuss it and you know what i don't 888 00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,159 think there's a whole lot more we can 889 00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,399 say on it i think we call this from the 890 00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,559 start and it's one of those ones i would 891 00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,360 love to have been wrong on even for them 892 00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,760 to have gone on the expedition and 893 00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,159 and had something from it it was wasn't 894 00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,399 even expecting to them to walk into the 895 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,720 mojave desert into some mountain and 896 00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,320 find a whole load of mantas sitting 897 00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,399 around a table having something to eat 898 00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,960 definitely not what i was expecting but 899 00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,640 just for something to have come of it 900 00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,000 that made us go i wonder or what if or 901 00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,760 wouldn't it be interesting 902 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,679 and already it just seems like it's it's 903 00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,200 going to fall flat on its face which is 904 00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,559 really disappointing 905 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,320 but again it's just one of those knocks 906 00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,840 that you take in this community now and 907 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,919 again and you just have to dust yourself 908 00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,320 off and move on to the next one 909 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,720 anything more to add on it then 910 00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,200 no no just did like you say it's 911 00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,039 disappointing there are people out there 912 00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,279 with genuine experiences the there are 913 00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:31,120 crazy things going on really important 914 00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,480 things we need to discuss and then we 915 00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,200 have this stranger pontificating from 916 00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,279 the steps in washington dc and changing 917 00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,440 the story every two minutes just yeah 918 00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,440 i'm i'm done with it 919 00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:43,039 i know people won't see it on youtube 920 00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,559 because the youtube video for this one 921 00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,240 just to get up quickly is going to be 922 00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,159 just the thumbnail with some stuff but 923 00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,799 i've got the ucr um hoodie on so thank 924 00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,039 you louis simones and co i bought that 925 00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,519 from them it's awesome jazz shows i can 926 00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:56,880 see the dolphins 927 00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,360 and this will do me well in the winter i 928 00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:01,039 i'm not going to lie i think it's a bad 929 00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,559 day for me to be wearing this because 930 00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,120 it's at 20 degrees outside so it's 931 00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,519 pretty warm in the recording studio like 932 00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,600 calling it feel the dedication louise 933 00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,799 you know 934 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,960 yeah yeah luis i have made an effort and 935 00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,080 i'm sure you'll be listening to this at 936 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,240 some point to to have this on but it was 937 00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,240 a bad choice and the heat i am in right 938 00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,240 now but i i when i said elise i was 939 00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:22,799 going to pick one up um i i did say it's 940 00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,919 going to be great for the winter so i've 941 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,440 got like a big baggy version of it as 942 00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,760 well so um rocking that for you guys 943 00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,080 thank you uh and i want to move on to 944 00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:32,720 discuss the recent spacex launch of the 945 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,000 first civilians in space um four new 946 00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,760 astronauts were launched into space all 947 00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:40,559 with varying stories and backgrounds um 948 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:43,840 i think just demonstrating how elon musk 949 00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,279 and spacex have made space exploration 950 00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,679 oh spacex that's why it's called that 951 00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,559 made space exploration i know that um so 952 00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,640 simple and accessible to people 953 00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,840 obviously right now there would be a 954 00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,080 huge price on people buying tickets as 955 00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:00,000 and when the commercial side of this 956 00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,120 launches 957 00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,880 but brian lemony who is one of the 958 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,200 patreon sent me a massive message um the 959 00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,640 other day just with some thoughts on it 960 00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,159 and it said he would like to hear it 961 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,919 discussed on the show and you know what 962 00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,040 i thought it was a good place to bring 963 00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,839 it up and brian was basically wondering 964 00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,000 with civilians going into space and we 965 00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,839 may have touched on this and some of our 966 00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:20,720 some of our earlier shows done 967 00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,599 how what does this mean for ufos and uap 968 00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,599 because if you are just launching and i 969 00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,359 think when we did discuss it previously 970 00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,720 we talked about you know your kanye 971 00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,320 west's of the world and 972 00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,839 demi lovato is going to have a huge 973 00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,119 interest in this and if you're going to 974 00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,639 send those celebrities 975 00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,639 on jeff bezos's shuttle or richard 976 00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,359 branson's virgin galactic stuff or elon 977 00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,119 musk spacex 978 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,040 are they saying we'll say 979 00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,040 only one of those three things you just 980 00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,960 mentioned actually goes to space screw 981 00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,560 those other two guys 982 00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,079 yeah at the moment if you're talking 983 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,679 about what is actual space here the 984 00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,720 other ones just go really really high um 985 00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,320 so let's not talk anymore about getting 986 00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,200 really really high then the uh 987 00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:01,040 those those shuttles though the idea is 988 00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,240 eventually they'll be used for 989 00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,760 commercial space flight 990 00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,599 to and from the moon to and from space 991 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,920 hotels just to and from space for a trip 992 00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,160 around the round orbit and back 993 00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,599 um 994 00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,599 and brian was asking are people signing 995 00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,400 ndas for this basically getting at if 996 00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,320 you send up any number of civilians or 997 00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,240 celebrities into space 998 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,320 and they see stuff which we would be 999 00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,800 assuming they will or would 1000 00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,720 what's the deal with that because if 1001 00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,480 you're the government and you've got a 1002 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,520 space force and you have a uap office 1003 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,359 and all of that jazz and you've been 1004 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:35,920 keeping this secret for 80 years and all 1005 00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,800 of a sudden kanye west is live streaming 1006 00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:41,280 on tick tock if that's how that works 1007 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,480 i've maybe just massively aged myself 1008 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,040 but if if you're kanye or you're kim 1009 00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,200 kardashian or any of that law and you're 1010 00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,599 up there and you've got a signal 1011 00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,240 and and you're potentially filming uap 1012 00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,800 that's huge i mean game changing i i 1013 00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,119 would love that but i would love to 1014 00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,200 watch demi lovato live in space you know 1015 00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,640 filming that would be awesome because 1016 00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,640 you never know what you might see 1017 00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,160 um 1018 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,839 i've just inadvertently used the show's 1019 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:09,119 catchphrase i never know what you might 1020 00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,480 see if you keep looking up 1021 00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,800 there already looking down then again 1022 00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,320 yeah so dan what do you think about that 1023 00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,760 do you think there's any conversations 1024 00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,920 that do happen with civilians before 1025 00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,920 they go into space 1026 00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,520 probably i mean there's going to be a 1027 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,520 lot of technological stuff on those 1028 00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,280 rockets that they wouldn't be able to 1029 00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:27,599 discuss in in the event that you know 1030 00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,880 competitors might copy them um 1031 00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,960 so at that level they'll have an nda 1032 00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,760 there 1033 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,720 um 1034 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,720 and really when you think about it the 1035 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,880 data pipe coming down from that spacex 1036 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,960 rocket is going through a command center 1037 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,480 where they would have control of exactly 1038 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,320 what everyone is seeing you know the the 1039 00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,760 people aren't just tweeting from space 1040 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,359 they're sending the data down and the 1041 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:48,880 people on the ground are tweeting look 1042 00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:51,520 what they're doing in space um 1043 00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,200 so it's yeah i i think they've for now 1044 00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,040 they maintain that kind of control of 1045 00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,520 the pipe if they need it um but we we've 1046 00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,599 definitely spoken about whether private 1047 00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,880 industry going to space more and 1048 00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,800 civilians done to go to space is a 1049 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,079 reason for 1050 00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,160 all of this kind of starting you know i 1051 00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,079 think it may be one of several kind of 1052 00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,720 facets that that have made this kind of 1053 00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,320 you know the starting gun go off of 1054 00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,800 disclosure 1055 00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,720 what do you think the chances are bear 1056 00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,440 in mind it's a huge planet i think i'm 1057 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,119 probably making an understatement there 1058 00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,960 so when you go up you've got no doubt 1059 00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,640 the most incredible view possible in 1060 00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:28,800 human history okay and there's a reason 1061 00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,119 all these astronauts that go up there 1062 00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,119 talk about it's life-changing it just 1063 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,880 changes your world view i mean quite 1064 00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,800 literally changes your world view but 1065 00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,320 you are you are looking down at the 1066 00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,839 entire planet 1067 00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,599 or a portion of it depending on how far 1068 00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,960 out you are 1069 00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,320 what do you think the chances are that 1070 00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:46,000 you do see something because dan you 1071 00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,440 quite rightly said to me before we hit 1072 00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,800 record and we discussed this very 1073 00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,839 briefly 1074 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,960 you're probably going to see a lot of 1075 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:53,040 satellites flying about 1076 00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,240 yeah there's 1077 00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,079 part part of this 1078 00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:57,680 and kind of learning about the other 1079 00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,400 buckets in the uap report or preliminary 1080 00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,720 report i should say um is kind of 1081 00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,040 learning what there is in the night sky 1082 00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,720 you know we we always 1083 00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,720 see oh ufos have gone over devon or 1084 00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,400 something and then it turns out to just 1085 00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,560 be starlink or something like that so a 1086 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,440 big part of this is educating people um 1087 00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,440 but 1088 00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,839 we already see how much people pour over 1089 00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:22,800 the the live streams from the iss 1090 00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,599 so 1091 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,280 that's just going to increase as more 1092 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,359 people start going to space you know i i 1093 00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,760 can't imagine someone like you know we 1094 00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,520 we have satellite phones so you could 1095 00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,560 technically 1096 00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,119 tweet from up there if you kind of had 1097 00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,119 access to one um 1098 00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,200 and at some point it's gonna happen you 1099 00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,119 know the the spacex rocket that's there 1100 00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,280 now has kind of the biggest view of the 1101 00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,119 earth from a rocket that 1102 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,880 on any rocket that's ever been built it 1103 00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,640 has this big parabola so they can kind 1104 00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,000 of see the whole side of the planet um 1105 00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,400 and if these kind of fast walkers and 1106 00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,560 objects coming from you know above 1107 00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,520 seventy nine eight thousand feet um uh 1108 00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:02,000 super prevalent then at some point one 1109 00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,359 of them is going to be filmed and just 1110 00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,040 put up on the internet right 1111 00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,920 yeah and even so forget the technology 1112 00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,079 to live stream or film okay because that 1113 00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,079 that can be that can be delayed or fixed 1114 00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,560 but even just if you got some serious 1115 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,359 people some rich people some celebrities 1116 00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:19,200 and again i talk about kanye west 1117 00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,400 because he's the kind of guy that would 1118 00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,880 just come out and say something anyway 1119 00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:24,400 if they saw something they'll come down 1120 00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,359 and say 1121 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,560 they wouldn't let people gag them or or 1122 00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,760 stop them from talking about any 1123 00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,599 potential sightings or experiences as 1124 00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,160 well so but i just i would say that we 1125 00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,079 just had a conversation where we were 1126 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,079 saying that famous people having 1127 00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,560 sightings isn't necessarily super valid 1128 00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,760 when they share those stories they're 1129 00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,839 still single data points right 1130 00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:46,160 or single source stories i should say 1131 00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,440 i know you were going to say that when i 1132 00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,280 brought that up 1133 00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,119 i still hold ourselves to account for 1134 00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,000 what we say right yeah but i suppose i'm 1135 00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,320 i'm putting just personally more stock 1136 00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:57,680 and 1137 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,720 up filming a reality tv show as opposed 1138 00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,880 to someone going on a commercial trip 1139 00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,400 into space 1140 00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,920 and saying you know what i saw some 1141 00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,680 stuff up there but i i just could not 1142 00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,680 explain i just put more stock put more 1143 00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,839 stock into that rightly or wrongly i 1144 00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,200 just think 1145 00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:17,119 yeah and then i've got down here that 1146 00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,319 we're going to talk about the secret 1147 00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,240 space programs but i think we'll find 1148 00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,680 out a time on this update so we'll have 1149 00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,119 to leave that one 1150 00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,440 yeah cool we'll come back to it maybe 1151 00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,160 a what-if episode yeah i i do want to do 1152 00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,160 a show on on some of that stuff it's a 1153 00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,880 little bit of the more out there but i 1154 00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,280 love the idea that the us and russia and 1155 00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,359 other countries that they've been going 1156 00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,599 into space on different apollo missions 1157 00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,079 you know apollo 13.5 1158 00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,760 and there are different ideas of the 1159 00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:45,359 level of that conspiracy as well you 1160 00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,560 know it goes all the way up to corey 1161 00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:48,000 good kind of going yeah i went to space 1162 00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,280 for 20 years and they sent me back in 1163 00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,359 time and my life reset to all the way 1164 00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,040 down to the more reasonable no no we 1165 00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,800 just did things in secret 1166 00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,200 yeah which i am sure they have done 1167 00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,880 absolutely sure of it but we'll get to 1168 00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,200 that at some point anyway folks um as 1169 00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,560 we've mentioned coming up then on the 1170 00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,560 podcast you can listen to 1171 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,880 the interview part two with ross cool 1172 00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,560 tart uh today 1173 00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,640 friday saturday sunday early access with 1174 00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,000 no adverts 1175 00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:14,079 um if you sign up to patreon.com from 1176 00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,680 only one dollar or from a couple of 1177 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,599 dollars the price of a coffee if you 1178 00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,680 don't grudges that if you can afford it 1179 00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,920 it's tough times for everyone and if not 1180 00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,680 then everyone gets the same access to 1181 00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,680 the podcast from monday you'll be able 1182 00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,599 to hear that part two and then only a 1183 00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,359 couple of days later you've got the show 1184 00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,280 with ralph blumenthal and that'll be out 1185 00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,640 that evening as well we'll put that 1186 00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,319 straight out for everyone so no early 1187 00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,400 access on that one it's not going to be 1188 00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,720 too long form um but you can also check 1189 00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,839 out some interviews with ralph 1190 00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,680 blumenthal over the coming days on a few 1191 00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,760 other platforms so um unidentified 1192 00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,000 celebrity review later on today and 1193 00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,400 disclosure team vinnie um he's got ralph 1194 00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,240 on as well and no doubt ralph will be 1195 00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,920 popping up all over the place in the 1196 00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,839 coming days so so check those out as 1197 00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,000 well folks dan thanks very much for 1198 00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,599 joining us thank you for having me it's 1199 00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,680 been a pleasure awesome as we roll on 1200 00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,359 towards the end of september and into 1201 00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,760 october where we've got some more cool 1202 00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,440 shows names and guests to announce 1203 00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,680 coming up soon so once again folks thank 1204 00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:09,200 you very much and we'll speak to you 1205 00:42:12,069 --> 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folks as always keep looking 1220 00:43:05,670 --> 00:42:45,190 up you never know what you might see 1221 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,540 is 1222 00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:28,270 [Music] 1223 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:56,400 and i 1224 00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:02,870 [Music] 1225 00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:44,920 what's that is 1226 00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,880 [Music] 1227 00:44:59,580 --> 00:44:52,720 it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a 1228 00:44:59,590 --> 00:45:13,430 [Music] 1229 00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:15,520 that's very smooth